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the spin stops right here because we're looking out for you. >> welcome to the special audience edition of "hannity"." we have the great one mark lavin. we will bring in our studio audience as you can see of distinguished guests. let's look inside the great one's latest book the liberty amendments restoring the amenity public. levin is amending 11 proposals for constitution and how each and every one wcould help restoe reserve individual rights and mark the first step towards reclaiming the country that belongs to you the american people. the amendments why he wrote the book author himself the grave
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one. welcome mark levin. >> in many ways you wrote liberty in teern knee sold over a million copies you wrote ameritopia. am i right thinking this is almost a third in the series? >> it really is. i am not running around writing amendments to the constitution. what i am doing is talking about reestablishing constitutional amendmentism. we do not have it today. we will get into that a little later. what i am saying is unlike our opponents we sris rate the constitution trying to figure out ways to centralize the government as much as we can in violation to the constitution. those of us who believe in individual liberty the rule of law need to look at the constitution for answers.
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two methods for amending the constitution one two-thirds of both houses. >> there are two methods. >> one of which has been used successfully we have 22 amendments to the constitution. one which is not. that second method is not radical, it's not weird it's there because the framers put it there and they put it there for a reason. the second method for amending the constitution the first was two-thirds of congress proposing a congress to the state three fourth of the states ratifying. in this it is two-thirds of the states calling it convention not a konsz tugsnal convention. it calls for a purpose for amending the constitution proposing amendments. we still need the states to ratify. you wouldn't have a run away convention as we have today a run away congress and supreme court and bureaucracy and president. it is put in place specifically
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by the framers. george mason insisted on it and got the support of the other members and the other delegates of the constitution. if congress turns impressi if the federal government turns impressive what is recourse we have to have a way to readdress. the states got together as they often did as they gave birth to the nation and propose these amendments. you need three fourths of them to approve. you write at length in many ways how framers saw this day would come a day of what you call a post constitutional america. explain what you mean by that and give examples of what you see that defines that. >> the entire construct of the constitution is pretending to invent what happened today
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centralize power government a handful of lawyers on supreme court the president of the united states and ruling congress getting involved and every aspect of their lives. all of this is contrary to constitution. you will go through life willy nilly and you will accept it. some of us know that's not the case. this is a post constitutional period. you look at obama care as i am talking about congress passed a law they had no power to pass. congress signed a law they had no law to sign. the supreme court amended the constitution if you will and i am posed it on us. we are being told that's it you can't be funded you stuck to it there's nothing you can do about it. the hell with that there are things we can do about it. the more our government legislates and operates like this the worse it is going to
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get. the fire walls of the constitution are preabreached y about it and go into great detail the left has been the status have been successful. beyond their wildest dreams which is why you say folks constitutional america. how does this give more power to the states and what was anticipated you quote the federalist papers a lot through out the book. what were they intending to put this specific process in place that could be used one day? >> they had to do this in part because the constitution would never be ratified. they were our frarms, too. delegates to the state conventions were skeptical of the notion of the central government. people don't know if you read what is available. massachusetts almost voted down the constitution. john adams ended up having to s
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you look at virginia the constitution was almost defeated. you are talking about the home of madison and washington and so forth and new york the constitution because almost defeated. when they presented them with the constitution it would empower the states and ensure the states retain their poverty and the government had specifically enumerated powers limited powers and the final thing they had to do because the state were responding to constitutions. they agreed when the first congress met they would propose amendments to further amend the federal government visa vis the individual and individual liberty. this provision article 5 is very, very important. it is the only way that we have today that i am aware of and if somebody has a different idea they ought to put it on the table.
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for the american people in a civil of courses legal, constitutional thoughtful way to work with their state legislatures over time not tomorrow to begin the process of reclaiming their republic. otherwise the centralized government master minds are not only going to continue they will be additionally coercive. >> madison pointed out the poiers dedicated to the federal government are few and they are defined. how far have we left that original intention? >> states have very little power. i want you to think about this the states created the federal government. the states gave life to the federal government. now the states live at the behest of the federal government. they can step in whether it's voting or environment the road system or pack system. the federal government is
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preefrp presidenting t -- preefg the power. they are giving them one after the other whether it's obama care, whether it's these other acts with the federal government. it's the federal government working mostly in unison as well as the 4th branch of government against the states. >> you will look at the constitution for restoring self government. you go as far to say the social collapse. >> when you have a federal government that has unfunded liabilities over $90.03 years ago it was $67 trillion. it's growing that fast. when you have a federal government imploding at the same time and a federal reserve mindlessly printing money through quantitative easing and so forth when you have
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politicians who are only rewarded if they spend your children and grandchildren's money and future it's not that they draw the line. the system is broken because they are by the constitution. they were all swept away with a big exclamation mark and so many laws before it. >> we will come back and continue much more with the great one mark levin and liberty amendments and get to our distinguished studio audience when "hannity" continues straight ahead. hey kevin...still eating chalk for heartburn? yeah... try new alka seltzer fruit chews. they work fast on heartburn and taste awesome. these are good. told ya! i'm feeling better already. [ male announcer ] new alka seltzer fruits chews.
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made up by members appointed by the state legislatures. they would be appalled career politicians. you can read their letters, their writings. they expected these people to go home and retain their farms and stay as farmers and stay as businessmen and so forth. they didn't believe in a permanent legislative place. professional turns over less than the house of the lords. 85 percent are still getting re-elected. >> we still have 85 percent income ban see and we are cheering it. if you have 50 percent turn over after 8 years 85 percent after four years. >> you put it in the book turn over rate of 58.2 percent.
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let me go over to steve brannon. what would you be against this, steve? >> i like the book it is like an organic hole this is the one i have a problem with. particularly today you want engage in our democracy. we realize the power of media and the power of that it has gotten to be like the house of lords. they never leave. if you force it and put a cap on it it puts the one thing away from the people. i would support it, it was totally tied in as an organic hold. this is the one i had the biggest problem with. >> you brought up in the book how historically it was intended to be. why don't you explain it? >> historically it was. you won't be able to vote. you can vote for state representatives, state senators. governors, members of the house. you can still vote for them. you can still vote at primaries. it's that they are limited to how long they can serve. there's a reason for that. you can't talk about breaking up
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the ruling class and that mentality without breaking up the ruling class of that mentality. more than any group up there congress has become very insul lar. obama care was passed nobody got to see the final legislation. that's because they pat each other on the back they get along they are all great and so forth and in terms of citizen participation because of income ben see like jerry man derring and free media john mccain is on tv every 14 minutes as an example. it becomes more and more difficult for citizen challengers to be effective. that is what the framers wanted. you look at jerry man derring in this country the house of representatives depending on the district it is extremely difficult to dislodge. what i am saying is there ought to be -- based on their own
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writings would be stunned. they are trying to portray what they are intending to do. >> let's go to the second amendment to restore the senate. the 17th amendment is here by repealed and all senators shall be chosen by their state legislatures as described article 1. how many think this is a good idea? this was the original intention this is the way we do it. it was defective. this is part of the progressive movement in 1913 this along with the federal income tax. the reason is the progressives were trying to weaken the state as they always are. they attack the states where the states have the only institution where they have a voice in the government. it is crucial or there would be no constitution today. the states insisted on a say in the making of the federal
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legislation. the federalists have always tried to diminish the state's role always tried to empower the federal government. i will give you an example the commonwealth of virginia talked about this. you have the first one out of the box suing on obama care. then you have the two senators from virginia doing what? voting for obama care. >> their allegiance isn't to the slate leg slight tour legislature. >> what people don't know this is the way it was done for 124 years. your opposition to us. >> i agree with every other amendment. because they limit that steve opposes. the term limit amendment says 12 years in congress. two terms would be maxed. probably a lot of people go to the senate.
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i saw john kerry say the other day he spent 29 years in the united states senate and many of the years with ted kennedy. no turn you get the term limits in there. it will keep people active in politics. the call for this convention it will make people more interested on the crass roots of who gets into their slate legislature. >> quick response. >> you have the president for 8 years the term limits are very, very important. who are they representing during those 12 years. they claim to represent the people of the state? they may or may not. the problem isn't very limited to 12 years the problem is the states don't have any say in the legislation that's coming down the pipe whether they are two months or 12 years or 25 years. >> we will take a break. the great one mark levin.
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as we continue with the special edition of "hannity"" and much more coming up. straight ahead.
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>> welcome back to the special audience edition of "hannity." let's go to amendment number 3
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and amendment to establish term limits for the supreme court justices and a super majority legislative over ride. audience agree? hands up. >> how many disagree? well, this i support. >> one tweet. why a super majority? >> why a super majority to over ride the supreme court. in a regular supreme court case one unelected lawyer can shift the balance. >> today is zero. and i do respect the notion of the independence of the supreme court. i am not advancing the notion so i think there should be a higher threshold. there is no historical justification whatsoever and i would challenge any one to represent it to have one person on the supreme court shifting the nation radically on a host of issues that don't be long to
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the supreme court that be long to the state that is there. these are nine imperfect human beings, historically some have been imperfect. they have had great decisions and real dooz sees. i will give you an xav example. what if we had resource to dread scott short of the civil war? look at roe versus wade. whatever your opinion is your decision is divided because a handful of lawyers impose them well on the american people. i don't know how you can call this a constitutional republic when something of that narrow cures. traditional review is an implied power in the constitution it's not even there. someone has to make a final decision. but a final decision is so anxious and frustrated by it there has to be some kind of
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recourse to it. why shouldn't it be a broader segment of the population, a broader segment of society three fifths of a state not popular vote. we talk about federalism. do we support federalism or don't we support federalism? are the states so rotten and federal government so not. i don't believe that for a minute. >> anybody want to respond to that? >> go ahead, jeff. >> remember arlen specter grilling about can't we consider roe versus wade federal law. how do we decide what is quote-unquote settled in law in terms of imposing these things. >> it is more settled if they make the decision. it is unsettled if the supreme
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court uses invisible ink. it simply does not exist. this is a broader point i would like to make. the left is into nullification. they full fy the constitution. it nullifies parts of the constitution and then when somebody like me dares to say let's embrace that part of the constitution that allows us to establish it you don't support the constitution? these people are doing their fan dance and i am trying to be as consistent as i can. these are suggestions i am making to reestablish a constitutional republic. i don't have unsustainable knowledge here. if we get to a state convention i sure as hell hope we do then we have the opportunity to avoid what i think as a republic doing it. i don't think we have a lot of time. this is something i hope people will talk about whether they agree with the amendment or not.
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you talk about jefferson evidences upset over marbury madison. in the book you also talk about woodrow wilson you said endorsing judicial tyranny. you look at three fadeses where they have accumulated a lot more power than you think was originally intended. >> what is particularly interesting, there seems to be liberal and everything around. that was a great decision. at the time it was considered a power grab by the supreme court by jefferson and madison. marshall was the secretary of state who signs the certificates for the judges who later sued claking they had a right to the appointments. marshall is chief justice of the united states supreme court ruling on decisions that he made, and apart from that saying, hey, look, we have a
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right to make some of these decisions on the constitution. somebody has to when it whether even a constitutional question. all i am saying is, great. today the court's judicial review is judicial activism. i am not talking about judicial indpens i am talking about judicial supremacy. some of them are so outrageous and outlandish. you wait for some breath taking decision coming down from on high you read it saying good god what a knuckle head decision here and it effects the entire nation? i think a great republic can do better with that. >> more with our studio audience and mark levin the new book "the liberty amendments." log on to "hannit -- hannity li foxnews.com. also on twitter sean hannity. we will take a quick break and
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welcome back to the special audience edition of "hannity." we continue to mark levin. let me throw up four of the amendments. number four, two amendments to limit federal spending and taxing. number five, an amendment to limit the federal bureaucracy. number six, an amendment to promote free enterprise. number seven, an amendment to protect private property. it's a lot you're throwing up there. but especially as it relates to limiting spending and taxing, you talk at length how this is a coming ka it iscatastrophe. this is our undoing. a nation cannot survive with unfunded liabilities. >> there's no question about it an they're not going to do anything about it.
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every time there's a continuing resolution, it passes. with a debt ceiling resolution, it passes. under a republican president, democrat presidents. the most profly kated administration before this was the republican administration before it, george w. bush, and for six years, a republican house and republican senate. that did it for me. i thought, let's elect republicans. it doesn't work that way. and even when you look at obama care right now, it's as if we're talking about armageddon to try to defund it. we can't have the fight over it because we might lose seats. well, let me suggest this to the republican party. why don't you propose tripling the spending on obama care, change your name to democrats and you might win seats then. the bottom line on all of these amendments is this. yeah? >> i want you to add one thing. talking about taxing no more than 15% of an income and you want the deadline to file taxes the day before election day. not april 15th. the day before election day. >> i decided to look at a calendar.
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like the two furthest dates possible are election day and tax day. make them the most closer. instead of what they say, we feel what they have done to us, those of us who still pay taxes and fresh in our mind in that voting booth and ticked about what they have done to us and our country. if we don't have a constitutional amendment to limit the spending, borrowing and printing of the federal government and if we don't have a sister amendment to limit the type of taxing and the limit on taxation, we're not going to be a free people. milton freedman made the point over and over again. your profit rights, whether it's income, intellectual, physical labor, that is intertwined with the liberty and you can see now in the federal government, you need more skin in the game. 40%, 50%. i would just make this point. when you wake up every day and go to work and you come back every night after you've worked, the government like the mob is
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claiming 40% or 50% of what you have, no matter how they waste the money, no matter if they vit la the constitution and talk about redistributing weather and the rest, these are ill legitimate purposes. >> you write in the book, he writes about we're on the path to financial ruin, 2008, $10 trillion debt. now $17 trillion debt. reaction? >> first of all, i applaud you not only for your books but every day making the constitution come to life. >> thank you, nigel. >> it is important because for us to be successful we have to bring the constitution to life and we have to educate and inform the low informed and the misinformed voter. i see us all here as missionaries for preaching the gospel of limited government. >> well said. >> is that something that you think is a priority for us? >> i think it is the priority. and you know, before any of these things can happen, we have to make the case. that was beautifully said. my point is, that we're all paul and paulette reveres.
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we don't have to be experts on the constitution but a working knowledge of what it is we're trying to do. i think the american people are disgusted and fed up. you look at the rating congress gets, the rating the president drops and the supreme court dropping. and you know what? the worse it gets and going to get worse, the more the people are going to be disgusted with their government. this gives them an out. it at least gives us an opportunity to discuss what's possible under our constitution. >> congratulations on the book. great to see you. >> thank you, monica. >> 2008 president obama spoke repeatedly about the fundamental trance or the mags of the nation. we have five years of evidence as to what he meant by that. meaning, move the united states away from a constitutional republic based on individual liberty and economic freedom toward a government dependency and welfare state. my worry is he's moved us, he and the left moved us past the tipping point and more people are dependent on government than not and changing the very
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character of the country. i worry about it. i hope i'm wrong. what do you think? >> i worry about it. i hope we're all wrong. but on the other hand, i'm not about to crawl up and surrender the greatest nation on the face of the earth. my father fought. my great uncle fought and would say get off your ass and do something about it. do we beg the congress to fix itself? begging that the supreme court comply with the constitution? that obama stay in town to do what he's supposed to do? no. they have a design and they're not the first. this is just, you know -- the trajectory in the nation is very bad. we had a respite with reagan and that was it. in the next republican president came in and lurched right back to the new deal notion. let them amend the constitution for them. if they want to redistribute wealth, let them try to amend the constitution. i'm suggesting that we propose a nonradical constitutional way to
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welcome become to this special audience edition of "hannity." we continue with our guest of brilliant studio audience members. all of you. let's go through the remaining amendments and then questions. proposal eight, an amendment to grant the states authority to directly amend the constitution. number nine, an amendment to grant the states authority to check congress. number ten, an amendment to protect the vote. here's the thing. i think the states should have the ability to amend the constitution by two thirds vote. i figure if the supreme court could do it by 5-4 the states ought to have the ability by two thirds vote. and that's a tough super majority to get. so if people think that's just -- it's easy to change the -- it's not but it needs to be less than what it is today. also, i suggest that the states
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by three fifths vote be able to override a federal statute or a federal regulation that has a value of $100 million or more. >> let's go to the audience. jenny beth martin, hi. >> mark, i love your book. and the thing that i rally like the most about it is that having seen the way that the irs is targeted tea party groups and other conservative groups, we have talked about this a lot. i think we have to get to the root of the problem and the root in that situation really is not another taxpayer bill of rights. we have had three of those. it is not solving the 73,000 pages of tax code and i applaud you and we look forward to making it a reality. >> thank you. it's wonderful. >> congratulations, mark. >> who are you again? huh? >> take note of this name. >> okay. david what? >> i became a reluctant convert just reading the first chapter alone. i was a skeptic.
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i wrote a column opposing what i thought this was. it's not what i thought it was. but my question is, we all know that the people who would become the framers of constitution met to amend the articles of confederation and rewrote the entire document and made a new constitution. playing devil's advocate, i think i know the answer to this question. what would you say to those who are skeptics of the process saying this could be hijacked? if you open it up to the statists, it could end up they accelerate us faster in to statism and marxism. it is not really a good question. >> it is an excellent question. two points. first of all, the statists already have the system opened up to them. this is what woodrow wilson preached in a speech in 1906 where the courts would have more power than the other branches of government, where the president of the united states would exercise his power as fullsomely as he could.
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where congress legislate where congress thinks it ought to legislate and the states are basically smothered. the statists have what they want and they'll continue to push that agenda. as for this -- if we open up the convention process, can want they take over the country and so forth, it takes three fourths of the state to ratify this. if they decide today they want to overturn the constitution of the country, they can do it. so, it's not like i'm opening pandora's box. pandora's box can be opened almost any time. >> i love the book. i read in it one sitting. >> thank you. >> cover to cover. not just the back cover. the whole thing. and my children thank you. their future children thank you for opening up this incredibly important and necessary discussion. here's my one concern and i -- you know, whether you agree or disagree with the particular amendments, this discussion and even the possibility of a
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constitution convention presupposes a civic culture that embraces the things that we all hold in common, an appreciation of founding principles, industriousness. a rejection of the kind of secular extremism that got us in to this mess in the first place. how are we going to move forward? we all agree that we need to move forward by looking back at how we got here. but you've had generations of americans who have been brainwashed in the very progressivism that we're trying to fight to save the country. what do you do? >> that's a good point but here's -- here's my take on this. it took one third of the population to fight the revolutionary war. it takes the activists organizing to make the changes. you're never going to get a whole -- a broad swath of the american people, 70%, 80% to get involved in this.
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a large percentage of the american people simply are not going to be involved as they haven't been in the revolutionary war. what's going on in washington now, you know, you read the polls about 20% of the american people say they're liberals. the 20% pretty much are running things and the rest of them, the republicans are status quo. so, we need to be that 20%, 30% or 40% to start pressing our case. look. here's the other thing. quh you start talking about these things, you don't know where they lead or do you start acting in ways that promote this kind of an agenda? we don't know where they're going to lead but if we don't do anything, i know where that leads. >> we have to take a break and continue with more. continue with more. "liberty amendments." hey kevin...still eating chalk for heartburn? yeah... try new alka seltzer fruit chews. they work fast on heartburn and taste awesome.
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welcome back to the special audience edition of "hannity." we continue with mark levin. back to the patients mark -- someone mentioned saturdayist. i am so tired of the elite. it will help the most. look at what the epa is doing and how they are locking up our energy. to do about it with the regulatio regulations? >> one of the to posed amendments would enable three fifths of the state to overturn any federal regulation with a $100 million value or more. >> we talk about the left and monica did earlier. my problem is what do the republicans do? if we're going to fix this issue, starting at the state level, we've gt to get rid of
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the elitists republicans and how the system itself wins. mitch mcconnell's a 30-year senator. rand paul talks the talk but endorses mitch mcconnell for six more years. the system is strong. what do we do about the republicans? >> well, first of all, we don't focus at that level. we focus at the delegate -- >> that's the example. >> i focus at the delegate and state senate level where you have a better opportunity for citizens to challenge these -- this sort of inbred political system. you're exactly right. the biggest problem initially is the french republicans because that's what they are. they give up. they're status quo. and so, we have to defeat them. >> surrender caucus. >> we have to go over their heads. we have to go around them. >> a new farm team? build new people. >> whatever we can do and done from the bottom up. >> mark, you and i spoke about this during our discussion on
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breitbart but i think people hearing about new constitutional amendments think about the social conservative amendment that is we hear about every four years in the republican primaries, same-sex marriage or abortion and you don't go in to those kind of issues in your book and i think it's very interesting to hear your explanation as to why. >> the amendments are aimed at the systemic problems. not any specific issue, pro /con in and that. who should be making the decisions, how we break up this centralized concentration of power. and those decisions should be made where those decisions should be made. first and foremost, where possible at home. secondly, at the state level. but the federal government, really, the court, the supreme court and so forth. what i'm addressing is if we have these big societial issues, how should they be addressed? i'm talking about federalism and unraveling the central government. whatever the issue is. unless it's in the constitution.
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>> hey, mark. how much of this problem do you think has to do with gop messaging? young people are drawn to libertarianism. they care about the civil liberties and the private property. they don't want to be told they have to purchase health insurance. is it having to do with the republican party not packaging what you're doing here as well as you are? >> i don't think the republican party establishment agrees with a damn thing i've said here today to be honest with you. i think they're happy with most of this. they want to run things and they're timid and really, i think the focus has to be from the grass roots up, not the top down because that's where the statists are the most effective. and breaking up the system and i do think and argument about liberty and property rights and these sort of things will be attractive to young people and all people if we explain it properly but the republican establishment, i mean, mealy
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mouth. >> mark, i just want to say god bless you for what you're doing for our country. i wanted to touch on something michelle malkin mentioned and this is an idea of assimilation. we have folks on the board we are a package of food stamps and a democratic registration card across the border. how do we fix that? how do we tell the newcomers in to the country about the greatness of our nation? >> well, we can't rely on the federal government to do that, can we? the fog's propaganda is welcome and this is the food stamps and the program and hire navigators and show you how to do that. i don't know how to answer that question. >> last but certainly not least -- >> i'll do my best. thank you for coming and spending your whole night with us. i can't -- i don't think we can leave here without addressing the next generation and we live in an entitlement society and the president of the united states calling 26-year-olds kids. how do you get young people who are going to pay what's going on
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now and pay for the $90 trillion in liabilities to be interested in things like the constitution and how it makes their lives better? >> you know, i think it wouldn't hurt to tell them the truth because they're feeding them a pile of you know what. we tell them the truth. you can't find the job because the centralized government type economy don't work. we tell them the truth about free speech. you know, all the speech codes on the college campus, that comes from the left. it was up to us, you could speak freely. we go in to these issues because you're right. you're right. you're right. our agenda as conservatives should be the agenda that young people and the next generation support. but i'm going to tell you. they're going to come to us because this thing's going to collapse. this cannot keep up, whether it's the economy or any of the rest of it and we have to be prepared when that catastrophe occurs to lead. and hopefully, a part of the argument will be the argument in
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this book. >> all right. great one, mark levin. [ applause ] and thanks all of you for coming, as well. that is all the time we have left this evening. as always, let no goodbye. >> we want the police to ke >> can't the police keep us safe. >> we have to do everything to protect the city. >> how much power is too much power? >> the city has been virtually shut down. >> the police that's our show tonight. >> and now, john stossel. >> police state? america is not a police state. for the most part we are pretty free. recently however we did l